My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. So much more needs to be considered. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. We all find our gods where we can and must. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. . The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). Such a great article! Composite Venus in the 12th House. Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Please your opinion. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). Aghh! I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence It's a nightmare sometimes. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. Im sorry to hear your story. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". Could I ask Your opinion? I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. You will both be changed deeply by it. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. Thank you for this series of articles! I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. What is the best approach? These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) I feel sad about that. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Thank you for your answer. Learn More. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . It depends on your Venus ' condition. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. He knows me better than I know myself at times. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Lilith in Synastry. Whitelotus. Dear Dawn, Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. But also to wound each other? Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. thanks!! But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Youre a poet of poets. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? Everywords pounding in me. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. 12th House Meaning. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. Lilith in the 12th House. It doesn't have to be a breakup. Is Your experience the same? In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. He didnt want to commit/marry. Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. Hi Evelyne. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. Id appreciate any information. Illusions yes I know. I am NOT usually like this. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. thanks Dawn for your reply. Thank You so much for Your answer! I do all these within a synastry consulation. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. I was heart broken all over again. Composite, Davison Chart . It isnt bad, its difficult. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Thats for start. intresting to know why its so bad. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. You can use this to your . I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. But I do have one question? Of course, this can lead to overspending and a tendency to overvalue anything that is overindulgent and impractical, but the positive energy Jupiter brings will generally get you through it. Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. What is your thought on this. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. Gilly. Two sides of the same coin. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. venus+mars, etc. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. Well it is a living hell right now! Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. At all. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. I have met my match. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. Everything you said is so on point. this is honestly so beautiful to read. Most of it is illusions I know.. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. This places can even indicate psychic ability. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. We both have natal moon in house 12. Thanks Dawn! Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. Astro-Seek.com Seek and meet people born on the same date as you . The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. so we find the True in each other. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. I read your article and its really touching! When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. It doesnt matter. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. 4 months passed since then. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! It has been a very long journey! They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Lots of greetings from Serbia. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. Its pretty rare. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? And I learned a lot too. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. Something is whispering in their ears. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. let go or fight for it? Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. thundered With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. The 12th House is also known as the House of mystery while Venus symbolizes intuition and artful . But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. Its part of me. 00 Angel Number, 00 Angel Number Twin Flame. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? It contains everything and nothing . hello, nice article Dawn. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. One thing Ive noticed with these people is that other people usually notice their . I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. was edward teague a real pirate, beverly sanders obituary, sarpy county accident reports,